The following is a reply to a commenter on the post: Lagos goes gaga over baby born with quran. I decided to reply, as the commenter talked about life in the hearafter.
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@Hajji2006,
thanks for your invitation into Islam, but no thanks. I HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE. I found Jesus as the way, the truth and life, and I will never go back anymore. See, when a person graduates from secondary school, he/she begins to realize some wrong information gathered in primary school. The same with the University. The higher you go, the more you realize that this/that thing which your lecturers taught you at a point in time might not be alltogether true or relevant in every application.
When God reveals himself to you(like He did to me), you need not to receive any other convincing from mortal men. Pray for a revelation from God Himself.
I said it before, let me say it again: whether or not a baby was born with the quran, it doesnt bother me. Even if baby was born with 10-bibles, I wont blink an eye. With special mention to the news we are hearing about the issue, with special mention to the national issues in the country we all call home, just imagine this kind of baby born at this time in this season. I mean, what better way than to divert attention from the more pressing national issues that concern us all.
For example: look in the series of events in Nigeria for the past 1-year, there was always something to divert Nigerians from the real issues affecting all of us. Don’t you think this is one of them?
I talked about America as a more sane environment as compared to ours – and about how they would handle such a case if it happened in their environment. If the corruption level in America has reached its Apex, what do you call the state of Nigeria presently?
In the next 70-years, by the grace of God, I should be sitting at Father Abraham’s bosom in Heaven, with the host of Heaven and God himself sitting on His throne. We would all be singing “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty”.
I think you are the one that should embrace Christianity, not just embrace, but accept Jesus into your heart as Lord and Savior because the only hope for eternity with God is through Christ’s blood that was shed on calvary. Do a thorough analysis of facts and figures.
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To all my muslim brothers and sisters that have responded to this thread so far, peace be upon you all, dont you think you should ask yourselves a question?
Was this baby born with something that looked like the quran or was this baby born with the quoran itself.
1) If the baby was born with something that looked like a quran, then whatever it is has to be investigated.
2) I guess you would be quick to say that the baby was born with the quran itself. So the next question I would ask is: has anybody – the parents of the baby, the nurses, the Islamic elite in Lagos state who have visited the family to confirm (for/against) been able to tell anyone else what they have read in the little assumed book the baby came with? Nobody. No information. Does the baby’s little book contain the same / similar information to the same quran all of us have? definitely not, no information. If it is a paper based quoran, why didnt it dissolve in the mothers womb? And if isnt a book? is it plastic? is it a piece of metal? is it ceramic? is it an alloy? Is there anything written inside the quranic looking object?
If God is really sending us His word, he won’t send us something that looks like it, would He?
Why / how then can we say the child is a sign from God? Under what basis did we arrive at a conclusion. If baby quran is your sign from God, how about all those other children who came into the world quietly without nothing in their hands? how about all those babies born under one circumstance or the other?
And if this baby was born with something that looks like a quran, why are you dissing each other, dissing Christians and fighting over an issue which you aren’t concerned about. Is any of you a relative of the child?
And while some people think I am making jest of the situation, the truth is I am making a jest of the people who think the situation is something serious; coz while we are argue and throw adjectivized puches left and right, some people, the authors of confusion are laughing their heads off.
Even a couple of Islamic scholars / religious leaders who visited the family dismissed the whole thing as a hoax. Now, rather than glorifying something y’all cannot defend(if you would be ready to tell yourselves the truth), why not get a life for yourself and serve God if really you know him.
Someone asked me the other day if the so-called Christian miracle worker T.B Joshua was a real man of God? I answered by telling him that he should remember that before the Oyinbo man came, Nigerians have been performing miracles. In fact, I told him that miracles in Nigeria have nothing to do with religion. You dont need to be a Christian or Muslim to perform a miracle in Nigeria, do you?
And for the fact that someone is performing miracles is no indication of true Christianity or Islam. Wait o, are there miracles in Islam? I advised Mr. Man to be careful not to be swept under the carpet of the next miracle worker in town, as there are many of such(regardless of religious inclination in Oshodi, Lagos), jobless people who speak in all sorts of tongues, with solid histories behind them. That was the end of our conversation.
But there are fishes in the river about this quranic baby story: the following are some school of thoughts I have gathered so far.
1) the baby has a mother but no father. His supposed father has denied the pregnancy even before he was born. His mother was a former muslim who converted to Christianity and now back to Islam because of her baby. I read on one newspaper site about what her former muslim name was, then she changed to Christianity and became Ruth, now she has gone back to another name. Can we really say such a person serious about religion at all? The next thing we know fit be say she don enter Juju o.
2) Someone told me today that perhaps some muslims are trying to fake Jesus – Nigerian style, to pave the way for religious war in Lagos which has been all-together peaceful and homely ever since boko haram started throwing bombs around the Nigerian north like pure-water satchets.
But isnt this baby’s story similar to that of Jesus – really? The only difference is that Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit, and his supposed father almost ran away if he wasn’t cornered by God and told that the child was a special child;……… and this our own baby was by a father that denied him a long time ago, amidst some other inconsistencies. Even if the baby’s father is found out now, is he a real muslim? is he spiritually sound? why would God choose his seed to propagate the faith? But at least there was a nurse(holy spirit?) who confirmed he was born with a quran in hand? No be me talk dat one o, na gist wey I hear.
In the midst of all these are Nigerians who are going gaga over the essence of the child. Meanwhile, they have forgotten what Jesus or Mohammed had to say – whichever you choose to believe. And perhaps what our national hunters of confusion are looking for is something that could cause problems in Lagos and throw Christians against Muslims and vice-versa. Then CNN and BBC would update their frontpages that finally war has broken out in Nigeria, the airport is closed, etc. Isn’t that what they(enemies of peace in Nigeria) want?
3) How did the press get to know about this wonderful birth? Was there a mole in the hospital? Were they pre-invited? A story says the child was born in a private hospital, another says it was in a white garment church(to add the Christian flavour). So which is which? Is the white garment church a private hospital or the private hospital is the church? and how many children have been born in this private hospital / church in the past 1-year, who have received press coverage like baby quran?
Anyway, he has been born now so what can we do, but how did the press get to know? who called the press? did the nurse call the press? did the mother call the press? did other relatives present in the hospital/church call the press? If yes, is this the way the attention of the press is always called in this church/hospital?
If there was a real case of emergency with a woman giving birth to a child(in Nigeria o) with a child delivered with any kind of object, is it the press that should be the first port of call or a qualified medical doctor, an OB/Gyn? who owns this private hospital / white garment church – can he/she be questioned?
Or was the press on standby? is this usually how the press is on standby in this hospital/church during deliveries? The Nigerian press definitely doesnt know about every baby born in Lagos, talk less of in Mushin.
And of all the babies born under various circumstances in Lagos everyday, everyweek and everyear, especially those that need serious medical attention, who often die because of lack of medical help from nurses/doctors, why is it this one who was born with a quran that we hear about within hours of his birth?
4) Mama baby was obviously pregnant for 9-months. Wasn’t she checked into any medical centre (private or public). Was there an ultra-sound / scan machine that could have detected something special about this child before the child was born – at least for the sake of authenticity? when did the quran get into the belly? If we say that at least some hours before her due time, doctors / nurses should have done some “routine” tests on the mother to confirm she is stable and ready to deliver, and perhaps got information about the object in her womb – and should have called a doctor, not the press! abi?
5) Money, money, money, who wants some money? The mother is said to be poor and even the immediate relatives. Can we conclude what is on their mind? And this babys quran must be the smallest in the world for it to fit in a newborn’s hand: why not call people at the Guinness book of world records(African office / international) for an awarding ceremony?
Whenever human beings wants to perpetrate a scam, the best way to go about it is by bringing in the supernatural. Isn’t there a difference between God working himself and man trying to tell us he is working for God? With so many people who have visited the site dropping holy offerings (according to newspapers), what better way to make money in Lagos? – arent Nigerians smart enough to read inbetween the lines? Can someone please investigate the nurses very well? Let us know the extent of their ‘collabo’. Perhaps, they would release their album soon.
6) “Medical Director of Bodet Hospital, Ikeja, Lagos, Dr. Bode Tawak said scientifically, it was not possible for a baby to be born holding a Quran. ‘How big is the baby’s hand to hold the Quran? How big is the Quran? How did the Quran get into her mother’s womb? I don’t know how a Quran can get into a womb. But there are things you can’t explain,’ Dr. Tawak responded. He said while the incident cannot be explained medically, in Nigeria many mysterious things happen”
What if someone put it in the Baby’s hand after delivery? Was there no ultrasound in this private hospital / white garment church. Obviously, not too many children are born there.
I would leave the rest of the fishes in the water for you to catch.
Your comments and opinions are welcome.
thejourney2011
May 18, 2012
Islam and Christianity are just two of many paths leading to the same destination. There no “one-size-fits-all solution when it comes to the spiritual. For some people Christianity works, for others it doesn’t. Same about Islam and most other religion, We keep forgetting that it is the goal that counts, not how we get there. And the goal is for us to become better people. So instead of boasting whose religion is better, it would be better for us to acknowledge our own shortcomings. As Mahatma Gandhi once said, all religions had a divine element, and all have a rotten element too. Let’s don’t forget about the latter, but search for the latter in our own, not someone else’s.
And by the way – I am not an expert in Islam, but doubt very much that any real Islamic scholar would accept that it is possible for a baby to be born with a Quran. It simply reduces God to a caricature.
abdul A
May 19, 2012
When you ask any christain why Jesus is lord,he tells you Jesus performed miracles during his time failing to reconcile what Jesus said .I get confused at times when people are so much blindfolded that they fail to reason due to sentiments.We have many who claim miracles to heal the leper ,the blind and deaf in the name of Jesus when there are many schools for the blind in the country,why not go and implement your miracle on these physically challenged people,the worst thing people are still being mesmerised following them.Funny enough,one of these future seers even predicted end of the world on many occasion in futility but people still follow him just the way those claiming power to heal the blind,the deaf and the leper.I challenge all the miracle performers in Nigeria to assemble at Federal College of Education (Special )Oyo to cure the students of their ailments if truely Jesus is Lord as claimed.Fix a date for us and invite press men to come and witness the healing.
thejourney2011
May 20, 2012
abdul A – not “any” Christian will tell you that. Only some – those who are superstitious and who want to avoid difficult questions. You will find people like that in any religion. I do not believe that the miracles of Jesus are to be taken literally – they were meant for illustration purposes only, and the later literalisation of the gospels (which were written 2-3 generations after Jesus and none of them by an eyewitness) is one of the things that led Christianity astray.
kamal
May 21, 2012
THIS IS NOT NEW THING ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE ALREADY TOLD US IN THE HOLY QURAN CHPTER 41 VRS 53 THAT HE WILL SHOWS THEM HIS SIGN UNTIL IT WILL MANIFEST TO THEM THAT ISLAM IS TRUTH . NOW I HAVE SEE A CLEAR SIGN THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A SATANIC WAY THAT IS LEADING PEOPLE TO HELL FIRE . ANY RELIGION THAT IS NOT ACCEPT ALMIGHTY GOD AS LORD AND SAVIOR IS A SATANIC RELIGION . SO CHRISTIANITY IS A SATANIC RELIGION
thejourney2011
May 22, 2012
Kamal, I see it otherwise: A god that plays tricks like this instead of feeding the needy and healing the sick is a satanic God. Agree?
unice
May 22, 2012
i will be saying lies if i say that there is nothing that God cannot do but the fact is there is something that God will never do eg. can God lie? can God steal? or cheat etc. but certenly humans can do anything to get rich or fame!!! therefore i think there is possibility that the mother of the baby may have inserted the mini quran in her virgina before the birth of her baby, and the place of birth of the baby in question is highly questionable, another fact if you chek the desingn of the quran you will surely see human error or mistake while printing or writing the quran if there is no traces of error of any kind, then we can start to speculate.
mypenmypaper
May 22, 2012
@thejourney2011
Your comments are quite interesting. Do you mind my asking what faith you profess, if any?
@abdul A
so would you really believe in Jesus if someone went to the Federal College of Education in oyo and healed everybody – just to satisfy your ego?
Why should God Almighty have to manifest himself just to convince a mortal man like you? Why do you think you are so special among the billions He created who accepted His offer of salvation without any questions or rational thoughts?
And maybe after the healer has healed all sick people in Oyo, you would tell him to begin touring every state in Nigeria? then you would tell him to go to JAMB office and pass every failed student? and then to the prison to release every prisoner? and then to the streets to catch every thief? and then to the NEPA office to provide electricity for every house in Nigeria? doesn’t the above sound ridiculous?
Do you think if you(as an individual) could cure all the sick people in your own immediate environment(Oyo), the people you cured will allow you to live long? won’t they tear you to pieces through much consultation, going from one place to another to heal everybody? do you think you will be able to sleep any longer? do you think you would have the time and peace for yourself and your family once people know that you can heal just about anything? Nigerians will even bring their dogs and cats to you for healing.
You would sure put the doctors and nurses out of work, and No, they wont be happy with you. Have you thought of that? In fact, they will plan your demise in the same name of the god through which you claim to be healing. The pharmacies, private and public medical outfits would rather find a way to terminate your existence than hail you as a healer from God. I hope you havent forgotten that we live in Nigeria.
Im just trying to tell you that God isnt stupid. You cannot put the Almighty inside a box and carry Him around for your own satisfaction.
You talk of Miracles, let me take you up on this:
Yes there are Christians who “claim” to have been healed through the prayers of their Christian pastors, etc. Its all about Faith in God. Its God that gives the healing and the recipient recieves it through faith. God uses willing vessels – those pastors are human beings like you.
And if I have one proof that Jesus heals, it is about my very self. See, I was born with some rare disease for which medical doctors with MD and PhD degrees of high repute in Europe / America concluded there was no hope. Some of them are still alive. They had concluded I wont live 6-months after birth. Its been years since, and Im alive.
As proof, Ive gone back to those hospitals abroad to show myself. How was I healed? when my parents heard the final call that there was no more hope in this world for me, they starting calling upon God almigty. Church members had joined them in the hospital. Those in Nigeria were praying. The entire family was on their knees. The story is after a week of prayers, I opened my eyes.
But that is the story my parents told me, and I was but a little child. How about my own story, I have too many to tell since I gave my life to Christ, this space wont contain it.
My point to you is you dont know what success means until you really succeed. You wont know what life means until you are at the brink of death. You wont know what healing is until you are healed. You dont know what it means to be dry if youve never been wet.
Why is it that many times, Muslims attend Christian crusades in Nigeria just for the purpose of healing. I have a mama on my street, a 100% muslim woman who got healed the first time she said she prayed in the name of Jesus. She was healed of an ailment that she had battled with all her life, which kept her from so many opportunities. Her testimony was so challenging, I myself was surprised. She concluded she was giving her life over to Jesus immediately. Nobody invited her on Sunday before she appeared in a Church on Sunday. We now call her mama-Jesu. She is a widow and has grown up children who are all muslims.
Miracles don’t happen to doubters, people who don’t expect it. And whatever you say doesnt diminish the power in the name of Jesus. There is no such power in any other name under Heaven. There is no other power manifested in any other faith – Islam inclusive.
Mind you, there are many fakers out there, and perhaps those are the people confusing you. But my question to you still remains, why are there no miracles in Islam.
thejourney2011
May 23, 2012
I am a Christian myself (not that describes much), but I don’t think my views on such phenomena as the one discussed here would be much different if I was part of a non-Christian tradition. After all there is only one truth, we only see it though the lens of our particular tradition.
Mohammed Muftawu
May 26, 2012
thejourney2011. Fuck off okay and stop criticizing us. foolish man, who are you to condemn what Allah has put in place. will anyone try putting up a Quran in the baby’s hand. Allah Karim
thejourney2011
May 26, 2012
Why are you feeling so insecure, Mohammed? And how do you know what Allah has and has not put in place?
Bushro
May 28, 2012
Hello everyone. I just heard about this story this morning and being a muslim was pleasantly surprised. I don’t know if all that has been narrated pertaining to the story is the whole truth but assuming it is all true, it’s significance would vary depending on the individual thinking about it. I am not advocating for anyone to believe the claims put forward but for one who believes in a power greater than us all, I’m bothered that such would find the story hard to come to terms with. God Almighty is great and all He has to say over any decreed issue is ‘Be’ and the issue comes to be. For the atheists, I don’t have a concern over their doubting the authencity of the story. It disturbs me, really, the adults and literate people would instead of pondering deeply and ever so sincerely about these happenings and venture to find out the truth and details of the story given and learn something from it, be u an atheist, agnostic, muslim, christian, Buddhist, pagan, or what have u, there is instead all the arguments based on no accurate knowledge. I’m a doctor and it’s not everything we see that we can give a scientific explanation for and that’s because our knowledge is limited. So, forget what the doctors say over this issue. We’d wonder how a baby got into the mother’s womb if we hadn’t knowledge on the subject. It’s our lackof knowledge that makes us doubt and argue over what is indeed true. God works in mysterious ways. Some will be led astray by all this and some will find guidance, which camp would y’all belong? I sincerely believe that whosoever seeks guidance honestly, wholeheartedly and with utmost sincerity desiring to please His or Her Creator will indeed find it. Truth stands out clear from error.
Mickey bom bom tillio
June 1, 2012
Wow. This is not even about relegion. It’s about superstition. Firstly, please explain how a mini-quaran was inside a mother’s womb in the first place, and whether it was washed of blood so cleanly just for a picture and why she is gladly accepting the money in the picture. Could that not be the whole aim of this? Money.
Secondly, we Christians do believe in Jesus Christ, but we do not believe in the bible being true historical documents. That’s why there are bible scholars, especially in the catholic church. They will tell you that it is likely that Jesus did not walk on water or change water to wine and so and so, some Christian scholars even doubt baby Jesus was known by Herod who apparently tried to kill him as a baby. From records, the time of Herod’s census and Jesus birth currently do not match. There may be bits of truth in the stories, but like many thousand year old tales, these truths have been edited and written by people who themselves were superstitious and only saw it in one way. The same way the story of someone who was a schizophreniac 1000 years ago would have been passed through generations as someone who’s friends had called upon demons to possess him. Luckily, we now know the truth.
Relegion is not to be seen through its stories and fairy tales, but in its true aim to create a brotherhood of man, with a moral compass in an effort to the continuous peaceful existence of the human race.
The muslim quaran was fully-written and compiled over 100 years after Muhammad (a wealthy trader who could not read or write) died, by a group of muslim leaders who came together to write rule-book for all muslims to follow , which also contained some writings by Muhammad’s followers especially Abhubakr. The major reason for this book was to avoid the dispersion of the muslim relegion into many different sects like Christianity has unfortuntely done so much, because at the time, there was already growing concern over misinterpretations of the muslim texts due to different dialects. It was actually a very political move. It is why you are implored to never modify or translate the quaran, as it is the word of God. This ensures that the relegion practices and rules do not change, due to people’s fear of God.
I am very for strict relegions (Catholicism and Islam) because they help to groom people who without a fear of God would have done many horrible things. It also helps avoid preachers like Bishop Eddie Long and Chris Oyakhilome who convinces his people he is an annointed prophet and buys a private jet with their money.
Catholics like Anglicans know their priests are normal men doing their chosen profession and Islams know the Imam is a man who chose a way of life. They know these are mere humans and do not have supernatural powers or the ability to not sin. True relegions.
My point is let us not give in to silly fake miracles like this. It proves nothing, and in all honesty anyone even me could have planned to make a mini-bible or quaran and place it on my baby’s hand in order to get publicity.
Unless we have concrete proof, let us not believe such my brothers. When peope are so superstitious and gullible, it leaves room for them to be duped. The family who has done this has already received money from believers as we can seee in the picture.
Can we all not see this is their way of avoiding poverty?
Don’t let people deceive us in God’s or Allah’s name. It shows a lack of respect
Mahadi Yusuf
June 9, 2012
DO CHRISTTANS REALLYHAVE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST?
If yes here is a test Given by jesus 2 prove de sincerity of theire faith.1.MATHEW 17:20: Jesus said; “I tell U the truth if U have faith as small as mustard seed,U can say 2 dis mountain,”MOVE FROM HERE TO THERE &IT WILL SURELY MOVE.NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR U”
2. MARK 16:17-17:- Jesus said: “& these signs will accompany dose who believe: In my Name they will driveout demons,they will speak in new tongues they will pick up snakes with there hands…..?
thejourney2011
June 9, 2012
Mahadi Yusuf: it’s great you are interested in the gospels, but your knowledge of biblical scholarship is rather shallow. The historical Jesus never said the words you quote. The oldest manuscripts of the Gospel or “Mark” (which is anonymous by the way and not really written by Mark) end on verse 16:8. The text you quote (Mk16:17), and the whole so-called “longer ending” was added mych later by those Christians who were embarrased by the fact that in the oldest gospel we have Jesus NEVER appears to anyone after his resurrection. The gospel ends with women who describe an empty tomb and go back home without telling ANYONE.
So, you see, it is possible to be a Christian and not believe in driving out demons or picking up venomous snakes.
Fatihu muhammad Sunusi
June 10, 2012
Abdul A. Dont worry yourself keep upon telling them 2 blieve about Islamic miracles bcos many of such was happened nd they wil keep on denieying. For instance let me just site an example on an event dt happend in tsunami earth quake were only millions of peoples and their properties were died and destructed but u can imagine only a mosque not affected. And almost every one of us being a muslim or christian was aware of it but they will keep on denieying. Brother Abdul remember Allah says in holy quran 2:26 ;Surely, Allah does not disdain to make a parable with gnat or with a larger creature. Those who blieve know that is truth from their lord; but those who disblieve say: what does Allah mean by this parable”. He leads astray many by it and guides many. And He leads astray only the evildoers. Indeed many islamic miracles had happend nd peoples are aware of it world wide, not even dis 1 that happened at local area(lagos). And Allah says dt in 4:153; the people of the scripture ask you to bring down to them a Book from heaven. They asked moses for an even harder, for they said: ” show us Allah manifestly,” but they were dazzled for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs came to them and We forgave them; and we bestow on moses evident authority.
thejourney2011
June 11, 2012
Wow, would that prove that the God of Islam is worth our praise? Just because he destroyed the houses of those who worship him? That would be a monster rather than a good God. The truth is simpler – the mosque was probably built with a stronger construction. And the poor people who funded the mosque could never afford to build their own houses this way. A miracle? Hardly.
Fatihu muhammad Sunusi
June 11, 2012
Well, the journey2011 or what ever u call your self. Let me just ask these questions and I need ur respond on that; 1) who told you that only muslims were destroyed in that event? 2) can you tell me that many of churchs were not destructed? 3) who told you that all the build houses and churches were not as strong as that mosques? Can you open your mouth and tell me the peoples that rushed to that mosque were not safe? Lastly can u ask your your lord (jesus) to do a similar thing or not even similar like this?
thejourney2011
June 12, 2012
Fatihu, I assumed it was a predominantly Muslim area. Wasn’t it? Even so, why would a God destroy its own faithful? Can you prove that mosques were not destroyed, but worship buildings of any other religion were? Would you still be praising your God if it destroyed your own house and family, the only one you have and which you need, but preserved its own place of worship, which it doesn’t need, it it “owns” the whole universe? I have much respect for Islam, but your version of it just looks childlishly superstitious. I am mature enough not to expect “miraculous” acts of the kind of God I accept.
Fatihu muhammad Sunusi
June 12, 2012
Hmmm I knows even its going to take you houndred years you can depend your self and your lord from the questions I ask you.
Jesusislord
November 2, 2012
Jesus christ is the only way to heaven. Islam is a false satanic religion which leads people to hell. Sadly prophet muhammad is in hell. No muslim will go to heaven. The story of a baby born with a quran is a make up story. Islam will soon become totally extinct in Jesus mighty name.